My friend said she was glad that the GG "had brains". Hell broke loose.
MattyBrains? Since when is disobeying the law using your brains?
Didn't you study political science?
Conservatives not having a budget ready means they get a pass for two months? Come on, Friend.
Didn't you study political science?
Conservatives not having a budget ready means they get a pass for two months? Come on, Friend.
Friend
You know I did.
I think the Libs/NDP's forming a coalition happened way faster than it should have. All the parties have made mistakes, but regardless I don't think a coalition govenment is a good idea.
The best thing she could have done in this situation was suspend parliment for the time being and allow them to get things in order, and try to have a working government - what were the other options? Have a coalitiongovernment (stupid), or call an election (stupider)?
I just think alot of leaders are behaving as if they have no brains right now, and Jean's movewas a smart one amidst all that.
Matty
I think the Libs/NDP's forming a coalition happened way faster than it should have. All the parties have made mistakes, but regardless I don't think a coalition govenment is a good idea.
The best thing she could have done in this situation was suspend parliment for the time being and allow them to get things in order, and try to have a working government - what were the other options? Have a coalitiongovernment (stupid), or call an election (stupider)?
I just think alot of leaders are behaving as if they have no brains right now, and Jean's movewas a smart one amidst all that.
Matty
First of all, Friend, everything is in order, just the wrong order for the people of Canada, hence why people fought back. Or if by get things in order you mean, Harper fucked up and blew the budget and scrambled because he lost any edge he had?
You mean he needed time because he got caught trying to eliminate all the other parties by cutting their funding and they fought back?
How is a coalition stupid? When big problems arise it is the government's duty to but aside partisan hackery in favour of a coalition of people working together to solve problems.
Didn't Harper try to do this in Nov. 2005? Yes, he did. It ended in a no confidence vote against a MAJORITY government. EDIT: Martin did not have a majority, he won a minority after being handed a majority.
You are both suggesting that subverting the political process is okay as long as your politician is at the helm. That's not how the world works. A group of people got together who hold the MAJORITY of seats, and that's undemocratic?
You mean he needed time because he got caught trying to eliminate all the other parties by cutting their funding and they fought back?
How is a coalition stupid? When big problems arise it is the government's duty to but aside partisan hackery in favour of a coalition of people working together to solve problems.
Didn't Harper try to do this in Nov. 2005? Yes, he did. It ended in a no confidence vote against a MAJORITY government. EDIT: Martin did not have a majority, he won a minority after being handed a majority.
You are both suggesting that subverting the political process is okay as long as your politician is at the helm. That's not how the world works. A group of people got together who hold the MAJORITY of seats, and that's undemocratic?
Friend
"You are both suggesting that subverting the political process is okay as long as your politician is at the helm." I'm not suggesting this at all. I'd be just as upset if a different party was in power, and my politician was trying to form a coalition. I think a coalition government is something that really only is needed in extremely extenuating circumstances - and I don't think this is the case.
Whether all Canadians like it or not, Harper got elected - with 37.6% of the votes in 2008. Chretien got 1% more than that and had a MAJORITY government. So 1% is enough to topple the government we DEMOCRATICALLY elected in? Harper has a LARGER majority than last time.
What the hell did I vote for if my vote doesn't count or matter anymore? What did ANYONE vote for?
Let's face it, the Liberals and NDP's are essentially hijacking the system and whining because they SPLIT THE VOTE. If this was such a concern for them, they should have thought about that BEFORE the election... (cont)
Matty
Whether all Canadians like it or not, Harper got elected - with 37.6% of the votes in 2008. Chretien got 1% more than that and had a MAJORITY government. So 1% is enough to topple the government we DEMOCRATICALLY elected in? Harper has a LARGER majority than last time.
What the hell did I vote for if my vote doesn't count or matter anymore? What did ANYONE vote for?
Let's face it, the Liberals and NDP's are essentially hijacking the system and whining because they SPLIT THE VOTE. If this was such a concern for them, they should have thought about that BEFORE the election... (cont)
Friend
but they never would consider a coalition before, because they have SUCH different ideals. A lot of people who support the liberals would never give the NDP their vote, and vice versa. So now, all of a sudden, they can decide to join forces because they don't like the Conservatives ideas? F
I also had little respect for Dion to begin with, but now I have none. He said he would never form a coalition with the NDP - surprise, surprise, look what's happened now. I have always made this very clear - the reason I dislike the liberals is not because of their ideals, but because they CHANGE their mind and go back on their word constantly. It's almost expected of them now. And, once more, they've done it again. (cont again)
I also had little respect for Dion to begin with, but now I have none. He said he would never form a coalition with the NDP - surprise, surprise, look what's happened now. I have always made this very clear - the reason I dislike the liberals is not because of their ideals, but because they CHANGE their mind and go back on their word constantly. It's almost expected of them now. And, once more, they've done it again. (cont again)
Friend
Not to mention - the Bloc are a part of this coalition as well, and they are a separatist party... a party that wants to DESTROY Canada.
This all being said - you're telling me I should be happy about this? Bullshit, I don't know how anyone can be happy or support a coalition that involves a separatist party, or one that is based on... well, on nothing I would consider a good enough reason to have one.
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This all being said - you're telling me I should be happy about this? Bullshit, I don't know how anyone can be happy or support a coalition that involves a separatist party, or one that is based on... well, on nothing I would consider a good enough reason to have one.
(and done :)
Wow, that was... wow....
We're spiraling into depression and Harper has no immidiate plan to anything about it, how is that not extremely extenuating circumstances? People are losing their jobs left, right and centre, but it's not a big deal? Absolutely ridiculous, wake up and smell the poverty.
Canada isn't about popular vote, it's about SEATS. Harper doesn't and has never had a majority. Getting more votes than the next guy is NOT a majority, you should know that. A Majority government is when you control the majority of the seats in the whole house. NOT the case. I'm going to say this again so I don't understate it... HARPER. DOES. NOT. HAVE. A. MAJORITY. AND. NEVER. HAS.
Hijacking the system? By using a system that's been in place for a hundred years? How is that hijacking? Hijacking assume it's being done dishonestly and illegally, this is completely legal and completely by the book. It is the entire point behind a majority government. You should know that.
We're spiraling into depression and Harper has no immidiate plan to anything about it, how is that not extremely extenuating circumstances? People are losing their jobs left, right and centre, but it's not a big deal? Absolutely ridiculous, wake up and smell the poverty.
Canada isn't about popular vote, it's about SEATS. Harper doesn't and has never had a majority. Getting more votes than the next guy is NOT a majority, you should know that. A Majority government is when you control the majority of the seats in the whole house. NOT the case. I'm going to say this again so I don't understate it... HARPER. DOES. NOT. HAVE. A. MAJORITY. AND. NEVER. HAS.
Hijacking the system? By using a system that's been in place for a hundred years? How is that hijacking? Hijacking assume it's being done dishonestly and illegally, this is completely legal and completely by the book. It is the entire point behind a majority government. You should know that.
What did you vote for? You voted for your M to get into power, same as I did, same as everyone else did. However, you'll notice that your party did not get more seats than all the other parties combined. You not liking Dion or the Bloc is absolutely fucking irrelavent in this, they have more seats as a party, they have the power. In fact, they have a MAJORITY of the seats, you'd be smart to remember that.
Before the election we were not in dire economic straits, and desperate times, which these are, call for desperate measures. Yes, they can decide to join together whenever the fuck they want, it is their political right, you saying it's wrong for them to do that is saying your vote is more important than anyone who voted against you.
The Bloc are not a separatist party now, and even if they want to separate, they couldn't, they won't have the power to because they are shoulder to shoulder with two parties that fought against them separating in the first place.
Matty
Before the election we were not in dire economic straits, and desperate times, which these are, call for desperate measures. Yes, they can decide to join together whenever the fuck they want, it is their political right, you saying it's wrong for them to do that is saying your vote is more important than anyone who voted against you.
The Bloc are not a separatist party now, and even if they want to separate, they couldn't, they won't have the power to because they are shoulder to shoulder with two parties that fought against them separating in the first place.
Matty
Furthermore, the Bloc are a party with Quebec's interests first and foremost, much like Harper's is clearly out West, remember how he called Ontario a HAVE NOT province? Don't you live here? That should worry you. However, the Bloc will be held in check, same with the NDP and Liberal, the whoooole point.
Furthermore, if Quebec wanted to leave, they could. Did you vote in the referendum? Did your parents? No. Quebec did. If they wanted to do it again, the federal government would be hard pressed to stop them regardless, though, when was the last time you heard real rumblings of separating? Thought so.
How is a fucking recession not a big enough reason to form a coalition? I am pretty sure it is the BEST reason other than WAR to form a coalition.
Remember, the coalition is a response to Harper's threats and unwillingness to make a REAL stimulus package for the economy. They didn't do this just because they don't like Harper.
Matty
Furthermore, if Quebec wanted to leave, they could. Did you vote in the referendum? Did your parents? No. Quebec did. If they wanted to do it again, the federal government would be hard pressed to stop them regardless, though, when was the last time you heard real rumblings of separating? Thought so.
How is a fucking recession not a big enough reason to form a coalition? I am pretty sure it is the BEST reason other than WAR to form a coalition.
Remember, the coalition is a response to Harper's threats and unwillingness to make a REAL stimulus package for the economy. They didn't do this just because they don't like Harper.
Matty
Also, didn't you hate Bush? How can you hate Bush and then vote for a guy who handed him MILLIONS of dollars to put in his own person war chest for whatever he felt was necessary?
